Spiritists believe we speak to the spirit of the person, not their soul, after death, and they say the soul is an incarnated spirit, so that, once the human being is alive, they have a soul and it can sometimes detach from the body, therefore become spirit again, and travel (astral travels). Here their theory: https://kardecpedia.com/en/study-guide/2/the-spirits-boo
For spiritists, both soul and spirit carry our identity, therefore, and they don't exist at the same time for a particular individual: it is one or the other. For the Catholic Church, an evil god, so say the devil, could 'turn off' our capacity of communicating with heavens by suppressing our spirit, therefore, even though this same evil god could never turn off our identity without killing our bodies. For spiritists, we never lose our capacity of communicating with heavens if the body is alive. Communication with heavens must be a requirement for God to find us on earth and therefore be alerted as to whether our body is alive or not, is suffering or is well and so on. It must also be a requirement for us to get the coordinates as to where to go after death. We don't have the spirit, then our soul may end up literally lost in space or in hell. If it is all the time the spirit, then we don't have problems when we die. If a person is in my situation, they can experience having the spirit, as defined by Catholics, turned off, like, at a certain stage, the satanic removed all my brain and therefore all possible communication with the beyond. That would mean that, if they die at that moment, their soul will be lost in space. That sounds unfair and irrational.
If the person is bugged and in phase out, there is certainly no communication with the beyond whatsoever or possibility. In this case, all the people the marginal killed after putting in phase out would have souls that would not find 'their way home' after their death. If, after we have God's Brainwashing going, we ask spiritists and they say one of the people who were killed by the marginal like that returned, we know the Catholics are wrong. Intuitively, though, the spiritists seem to be the ones with the truth there.
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